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24 August 2008 @ 11:52 am
New outbreaks of measles  
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/health/research/22measles.html?_r=1&ref=health&oref=slogin

Autism is experiencing exactly what ADD went through:  as more research is done on it, it's getting diagnosed more and more.  That makes it nearly impossible to figure out if there are actually more cases than there used to be.

I've been following this whole vaccine phenomenon with my mouth hanging open.  I just... I can't get my head around the idea of parents not vaccinating their children.

I want to blame ignorance of history here.  Or maybe just the fact that our society seems to have lost the concept that all medical procedures involve risk... we accept that risk because the risks involved with illnesses are worse.  There's a reason why doctors will try an antidepressant with a 60% success rate on someone, even though that's considered quite low:  it's because doctors have spent years watching depressed people in utter helplessness as they dwindle and often die.

It's really a victory of medicine... one of the great victories of medicine... that we've forgotten how terrible some of these diseases used to be.

I can tell you now, though, if I had an infant below the age where they could be vaccinated, I'd immediately terminate relationships with ANY other parent with older unvaccinated children.  At least until I had the chance to protect my own.  And if you have a baby, you might want to be careful of other children as well.
 
 
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Tigresstigress666 on August 24th, 2008 04:38 pm (UTC)
What's worse is since vaccs are not 100% effective, the more people who do not vaccinate their kids, the more chances that even if you get a vaccine you will get sick.

Right now they are getting away with it cause so many people are vaccinated it protects them by proxy. THey shouldn't encourage more people not to vaccinate, they only endanger themselves as well as everyone else. But themselves more.
Wiseacreewin on August 24th, 2008 04:52 pm (UTC)
That is a very good, and very frightening, point.
blackchaps: Shat by lemonrocketblackchaps on August 24th, 2008 07:48 pm (UTC)
Part of the problem, IMHO, is the doctors. Yes, there I said it. Some refuse to give shots because they're not 'cost effective,' some charge more than 100 bucks per shot!! Most people *here in the midwest* end up at state run clinics where they want to give your child up to or more than six shots at a go. I *me* personally refused to do it. Nurses would bitch and moan because I'd have to 'come back' and apparently waste more of their time. Every time I got my kids vaccinated I ended up mad as all hell.

So, yes, parents need to get their kids vaccinated, even with the tiny amount of risk, but the system is SHIT. Absolute.
Радаdigitalemur on August 24th, 2008 11:30 pm (UTC)
I have to agree with that. My friends with good private care are going back for extra visits so that their kids don't have more than a few shots at a time, and they monitor the babies carefully for the next 24 hours for reactions. And dammit, I do that with my CAT so we should be able to be that careful with babies. If *they* are pushing back at their doctors, I can't imagine how hard it is to get it done that way at a county or state clinic.

And doctors who say shots aren't cost effective? There are guidelines handed down by the freakin CDC about who needs what shots. Yeah, they're expensive because they're not always a good cash cow for the companies who MAKE them, but that's why county health departments provide them (albeit with their own problems). Yeah, I don't understand why we can't do this better. We fail at being an advanced nation, dammit.
blackchaps: Rodney stupid by from_the_cornerblackchaps on August 25th, 2008 01:48 am (UTC)
One of our doctors in KS didn't give shots at all because he said he lost money with every shot!! The whole damn situation is way the fuck past annoying for parents. *snort*

daisy_downdaisy_down on August 25th, 2008 11:04 pm (UTC)
I would strongly, STRONGLY recommend that you do some reading on the genuine dangers and the absolute inconsistencies of vaccines, check into efficacy rates (that have nothing to do with the unvaccinated population)of immunizations and also the basic ingredients that parents are being strong-armed into injecting into their infants before you make such sweeping generalizations.

I'm a pretty well-read and intelligent person and I make NO decision lightly, so you can rest assured that I am not just wandering around in a fugue state regarding the health and safety and care of my children, and I am NOT vaccinating the baby and wish like hell I hadn't vaccinated my older kids. Did you know that it is accepted as fact by the medical community that vaccinations are directly related to incidents of allergy problems throughout one's life and that there is a serious correlation between vaccines and IBD and Crohn's Disease? Probably not--because no one is talking about it.

To get you started, I'd recommend checking out a book by Aviva Jill Romm, "The Thinking Parents Guide to Vaccinations," and you might also check out some of the following resources:

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/05/12/vaccination-dangers.aspx

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,943146,00.html

Mogwai_toejamakktri on October 1st, 2008 04:51 pm (UTC)
Innoculation
Of course, the whole innoculation thing is a conspiracy created by the United States government to catalog all its citizens and store their genetic information in an underground warehouse for an FBI agent Fox Mulder to uncover. :D